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Lion Air commande 380 B737 (230 ferme+150 options)

BALI, Indonesia, Nov. 17, 2011 – Boeing confirms that Jakarta-based Lion Air today will sign a commitment for the airline to order 201 737 MAXs and 29 Next-Generation 737-900 ERs (extended range). The agreement also includes purchase rights for an additional 150 airplanes.

With 230 airplanes at a list price of $21.7 billion, this deal when finalized will be the largest commercial airplane order ever in Boeing’s history by both dollar volume and total number of airplanes.

U.S President Barack Obama is scheduled to witness the official announcement at a ceremony Friday morning at the East Asia Summit in Bali, Indonesia.

Source: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2033" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Diversification de Lion Air dans l'aviation d'affaires avec la réception du premier Hawker 900XP, opéré sous la marque Space Jet. A lire ici dans Flightglobal.com:
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ps-366739/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Après la grosse commande de 737, puis celle d'ATR, voici une grosse commande de 320 NEO

Indonesia's Lion Air to order over 200 Airbuses

Indonesian air line Lion Air has ordered over 200 passenger jets from French-based European aircraft builder Airbus, according to reports. Lion Air boss Edward Sirait has indirectly confirmed the news.

http://www.english.rfi.fr/asia-pacific/ ... 0-airbuses" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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AVION a écrit :Après la grosse commande de 737, puis celle d'ATR, voici une grosse commande de 320 NEO
Indonesia's Lion Air to order over 200 Airbuses.
... pas sur que les 150 options en B737 chez Boeing soient léves un jour
... je crois que Airbus récupere le resultats de ses investissement en Asie, en plus le A320 NEO semble etre une super machine !
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... pas bon pour la pub et remplir les A320
http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/bali-un-avi ... 648_24.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

et pas sur que la derniere phrase de l'article fasse plaisir chez Airbus car c'est visiblement un fait le pays manque de pilotes et galère a en faire venir
Certains experts soulignent également le manque de pilotes suffisamment qualifiés en Indonésie pour faire voler un nombre toujours plus important d'appareils
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Flyzen a écrit :... pas bon pour la pub et remplir les A320
http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/bali-un-avi ... 648_24.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

et pas sur que la derniere phrase de l'article fasse plaisir chez Airbus car c'est visiblement un fait le pays manque de pilotes et galère a en faire venir
Certains experts soulignent également le manque de pilotes suffisamment qualifiés en Indonésie pour faire voler un nombre toujours plus important d'appareils
Sur airliners, un pilote volant en Indonésie (mais pas chez Lion Air) parle en ce qui concerne les conditions de vol chez Lion air d’esclavagisme!!
I fly in Indonesia (not for Lion) everyday we watch these guys it's scary.

Lion works these guys like slave labor. I have many a conversations in the hotel van with them. Flying 23-26 days a month, min rest, crappy hotels, long days. The DCGA always blames the weather here never the pilots. Today was sunny and clear in Bali with light winds.
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Bon rythme :evil:

Lion Air B738 at Denpasar on Apr 13th 2013, overran runway and came to stop in sea
Lion Air B734 and Air Asia B733 at Surabaya on Oct 30th 2009, runway incursion
Lion Air B734 at Pekanbaru on Dec 13th 2009, overran runway
Lion Air B739 at Balikpapan on Oct 23rd 2011, runway excursion
Lion Air B739 at Padang on Jan 19th 2010, runway excursion on landing
Lion B734 at Pontianak on Nov 1st 2012, overran runway on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Dec 30th 2012, runway excursion on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Nov 2nd 2010, overran runway on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Nov 2nd 2010, overran runway on landing
Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 14th 2011, runway excursion on landing
Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 15th 2011, overran runway on landing
Lionair MD90 at Jakarta on Mar 9th 2009, departed runway on landing
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AVION a écrit :Bon rythme :evil:

Lion Air B738 at Denpasar on Apr 13th 2013, overran runway and came to stop in sea
Lion Air B734 and Air Asia B733 at Surabaya on Oct 30th 2009, runway incursion
Lion Air B734 at Pekanbaru on Dec 13th 2009, overran runway
Lion Air B739 at Balikpapan on Oct 23rd 2011, runway excursion
Lion Air B739 at Padang on Jan 19th 2010, runway excursion on landing
Lion B734 at Pontianak on Nov 1st 2012, overran runway on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Dec 30th 2012, runway excursion on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Nov 2nd 2010, overran runway on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Nov 2nd 2010, overran runway on landing
Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 14th 2011, runway excursion on landing
Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 15th 2011, overran runway on landing
Lionair MD90 at Jakarta on Mar 9th 2009, departed runway on landing
...j'avais totalement exclus cette Cie de mes choix lors de mon voyage en indonesie :? elle avait déjà et a tjrs "mauvaise presse" ... mm si j'ai déjà pris de l'exotique dns de nombreux pays !

la fiche incident/accident de "The Aviation Herald" toujours precis comme site
... avec ds photos qui parlent toutes seules ...en plus si on a été a DPS
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http://avherald.com/h?article=460aeabb&opt=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Début d'explication..du Cdb himself

(Reuters) - The pilot whose Indonesian jet slumped into the sea while trying to land in Bali has described how he felt it "dragged" down by wind while he struggled to regain control, a person familiar with the matter said.

All 108 passengers and crew miraculously survived when the Boeing 737 passenger jet, operated by Indonesian budget carrier Lion Air, undershot the tourist island's main airport runway and belly-flopped in water on Saturday.

Officials stress it is too early to say what caused the incident, which is being investigated by Indonesian authorities with the assistance of U.S. crash investigators and Boeing.

But initial debriefings, witness comments and weather reports have focused attention on the possibility of "wind shear" or a downdraft from storm clouds known as a "microburst".

Although rare, experts say such violent and unpredictable gusts can leave even the most modern jet helpless if they are stronger than the plane's ability to fly out of trouble - with the critical moments before landing among the most vulnerable.

"If you have a downdraft which exceeds the performance of the plane, then even if you put on full thrust you will go downhill and you can't climb out," said Hugh Dibley, a former British Airways captain and expert on loss-of-control events.

The cause of the crash has potential implications for the reputation of one of the world's fastest-growing airlines, which is fighting to be removed from a European Union safety black list even as it buys record volumes of Airbus and Boeing jets.

According to initial pilot debriefings, details of which have been described to Reuters, flight JT-904 was on an eastwards approach to Bali's Ngurah Rai Airport at mid-afternoon on Saturday following a normal flight from Bandung, West Java.

The co-pilot, an Indian national with 2,000 hours of relevant flying experience, was in charge for the domestic trip, which was scheduled to last one hour and 40 minutes.

HEAVY RAIN

As the Lion Air plane was coming in to land, with an aircraft of national carrier Garuda following behind and another about to take off on the runway just ahead, the co-pilot lost sight of the runway as heavy rain drove across the windshield.

The captain, an Indonesian citizen with about 15,000 hours experience and an instructor's license, took the controls.

Between 400 and 200 feet, pilots described flying through a wall of water, according to the source. Bursts of heavy rainfall and lost visibility are not uncommon in the tropics but the aircraft's low height meant the crew had little time to react.

With no sight of the runway lights or markings, the captain decided to abort the landing and perform a "go around", a routine maneuver for which all pilots are well trained.

But the captain told officials afterwards that instead of climbing, the brand-new 737 started to sink uncontrollably.

From 200 feet, well-practiced routines unraveled quickly.

"The captain says he intended to go around but that he felt the aircraft dragged down by the wind; that is why he hit the sea," said the source, who was briefed on the crew's testimony.

"There was rain coming east to west; very heavy," the source said, asking not to be named because no one is authorized to speak publicly about the investigation while it is under way.

A passenger on board the jet painted a similar picture of an aircraft getting into difficulty only at the last minute.

"There was no sign at all it would fall but then suddenly it dropped into the water," Tantri Widiastuti, 60, told Metro TV.

Lion Air declined to comment on the cause of the crash.

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AVION a écrit :[HEAVY RAIN
--- With no sight of the runway lights or markings, the captain decided to abort the landing and perform a "go around", a routine maneuver for which all pilots are well trained...
"Heavy rain" est un mot faible pour la region a certains moments !
...mais le pilote etait un local donc connaissait tres bien les phenomènes pouvant être ponctuels tres localisés et brutaux, dans ce pays
... peut etre une remise de gaz quelques secondes trop tard ... pas de chance et ...beaucoup de chance tt de mm !

Il y a 3 ou 4 ans j'avais lu une anlyse des accidents en Indonesie et une composante "météo" etait pratqieuemnt tjrs dans les causes des accidents
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Des amis ont assisté au crash de visu en direct.
Avion hyper bas au ras des flots

Un miracle selon eux
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AVION a écrit :... Avion hyper bas au ras des flots ...
peut etre aussi la raison de son "etat" il s'est certainement "posé" sur la mer doucement !
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Flyzen a écrit :
AVION a écrit :... Avion hyper bas au ras des flots ...
peut etre aussi la raison de son "etat" il s'est certainement "posé" sur la mer doucement !
Mes amis parlent d'une immense vague qui aurait touché l'avion...il y a avait à ce moment là des conditions météo très mauvaises
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Lion Air va lancer une Cie "full service" fin avril ... son nom Batik Air ! pas bcp plus d'infos
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Flyzen a écrit :Lion Air va lancer une Cie "full service" fin avril ... son nom Batik Air ! pas bcp plus d'infos
Y a déja du 739 de peint

http://www.flickr.com/photos/smartjunco/8638249475/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Batik Air set to début operations on April 26 with Jakarta – Pekanbaru

Batik Air (ID, Jakarta Soekarno-Hatta International (CGK)) is to tentatively make its maiden flight on April 26 using a planned fleet of B737-900(ER)s sourced from its parent, Lion Airlines (JT, Jakarta Soekarno-Hatta International (CGK)). The full-service airline intends to début operations with Jakarta Soekarno-Hatta International (CGK) to Pekanbaru Sultan Syarif Kasim II (PKU) flights, to be followed by Batam Hang Nadim (BTH) and Manado Sam Ratulangi (MDC) thereafter. Batik Air also plans to go head-to-head with Indonesian national carrier, Garuda Indonesia (GA, Jakarta Soekarno-Hatta International (CGK)) on international long-haul routes and has five B787-8s on order through parent Lion.
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Et pour continuer Lion Air devrait lancer "Thai Lion Air" pour la fin de l'année avec 2 B738 basés a DMK ( en phase de recrutement)
http://www.lionair.co.th/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
... mm si le marché domestique est important ça va commencer a faire bcp de low cost en Thailande
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Flyzen a écrit :Et pour continuer Lion Air devrait lancer "Thai Lion Air" pour la fin de l'année avec 2 B738 basés a DMK ( en phase de recrutement)
http://www.lionair.co.th/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Donne enfin un sens et de la visibilité sur leurs énormes commandes de Boeing et Airbus
Flyzen a écrit :... mm si le marché domestique est important ça va commencer a faire bcp de low cost en Thaïlande
Risque d'y avoir des dommages collatéraux :mrgreen:
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Il va falloir que l'on commence à m'expliquer là....

Lion Air confirms plan to place CS300 order in months

Indonesian low-cost carrier Lion Air aims to finalise an order for the Bombardier CSeries by end-2013, and expects to meet the airframer next month to work out the details.

The carrier is keen on the CS300, the largest variant in the CSeries family. Lion Air's chief executive Rusdi Kirana tells Flightglobal that the number of CS300s it will order will be in the double-digit range, and deliveries could occur as early as 2016.

"The aircraft is suited for our operations," Lion Air's chief executive Rusdi Kirana tells Flightglobal on the sidelines of the 38th ICAO general assembly in Montreal. "It looks good, and we like what we saw."

Kirana visited Bombardier's facilities near Montreal yesterday and spent two hours learning about the CSeries, he says. He expects Bombardier executives to visit Lion Air in Jakarta in mid-October. "We are trying to close it by year-end," he says, adding that the airline is eyeing a firm order and not a letter of intent.

Kirana says it is too early to say which routes the CS300s will be operated on, adding that the airline needs time to study potential markets.

A company spokesman contacted by Flightglobal, however, had this to say: "We are interested to operate the CS300 on long thin routes both domestically in Indonesia and internationally. We see that the size of the CSeries could be useful. Presently we operate 72-seat ATR 72s and 189-seat 737-800s and 215-seat 737-900ERs, so for us the CSeries fills a gap between the ATR 72 and the 737-800."

Lion Air has made headlines in the past with massive orders for Airbus and Boeing narrowbodies. In March, it placed an order for 234 Airbus narrowbodies, comprising current generation A320s and the re-engined A320neo family. In February 2012, it firmed up an order for 201 Boeing 737 Max aircraft.

Kirana, however, indicates that Lion Air does not plan to place an equally sizable order for the CS300, adding that it will likely be in the double-digit range.

The baseline version of the CSeries family, the CS100, conducted its first flight on 16 September. An order from Lion Air would help boost Bombardier's orderbook for the new jet, which has netted only 177 firm orders so far. Of these, 114 are for the CS300, Flightglobal's Ascend Online database shows.

Lion Air operates 90 737s and two Boeing 747s and holds more than 400 orders for the 737 Max, A320 and A320neo family aircraft. Kirana says the airline plans to replace its 747s, which were built in 1989, with Boeing 777s.

The airline had also previously placed orders for five Boeing 787-8s for Malindo Air, its joint venture with Malaysia's National Aerospace and Defense Industries.
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AVION a écrit :Il va falloir que l'on commence à m'expliquer là....
Lion Air confirms plan to place CS300 order in months.
C'est simple
dans le TA ce qui va rapporter le + dans un futur proche, la location de coques ou mm la vente de "slot" sur les chaines de fabrication un bon job d'ingénierie financière
... il y a bcp d'exemples depuis quelques temps
et a une autre échelle les revenus de locations/sous locations de machines par ces mêmes structures financières à des Cies qui ne feront aucun profit et dont elles sont souvent actionnaires
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